After8
7:40 Sat Jun 27
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comma Brown took a victory lap after Northern Rock and should have had the government go through every bank with a fine tooth comb.
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7:39 Sat Jun 27
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So the Tories finesse things and stretch credibility but other parties lie.
I'm sure that will placate the 25% of the electorate who voted for them.
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After8
7:38 Sat Jun 27
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because it's a conservative instinct to support the government when it says there's a security concern and our national defense is at risk.
one which frankly caused us damage as if we'd opposed Iraq from the start we'd probably had won the election in 05 or had a lib dem conservative coalition:)
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After8
7:36 Sat Jun 27
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we've not lied about the trains, we've reviewed network rails plans and said they're incompetent and changed their MD.
I'd point out network rail is a labour creation and that the left argue public ownership is better than private ownership.
Well it's quite clear network rail are incompetent and it's right that the transport Secretary made a statement to the house laying everything out. That's what you should do when there's been a screw up.
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7:35 Sat Jun 27
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Brown and labour did not promise no more boom and bust. Brown said there would be no more but he did not promise.
The bit about the banks was that they were safe insofar as the government would protect them because of the ramifications of failure.
I ask you eight to respect the intelligence of those you're addressing because you're coming across like a Daily Nail columnist and it rather undermines your stance.
Dead right about Blair and WMDs btw. Why oh why did the opposition note vote against British military action?
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After8
7:31 Sat Jun 27
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Why did Brown lie about the economy in 07 comma and future growth prospects?
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After8
7:30 Sat Jun 27
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The conservatives didn't promise to half the national debt in five years.
they promised spending cuts which they made.
Labour promised no more boom and bust, that the banks were safe after northern rock, that no one would be affected by the ten p tax changes, that pensioners would always have dignity (before giving them a 75p) increase, that Blair was a pretty straight kinda guy and that Saddam Hussein could launch weapons of mass destruction in 45 minutes.
In the annuals of history nothing will top the lies and spin from labour and the British people know it which is why they don't trust labour to run a welk stall let alone our country.
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7:28 Sat Jun 27
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Budget rebate not burger rebate......bloody iPad.
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7:26 Sat Jun 27
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Why did Osborne lie about our economic condition in 2010, why did he lie about the EU so called burger rebate last year, why did he not explain pre election the cuts to the railway network capital expenditure that undermines his vaunted Northern Powerhouse idea?
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Italian John
7:25 Sat Jun 27
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So basically, Labour are shit at running the country but the Tories are about the same but just lie more?
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After8
7:25 Sat Jun 27
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The government was held to account. We had a general election. The coalition ended people didn't vote for the liberals and the conservative vote went up.
The new conservative government collected more votes than any government since 1997 and has more people voting for it and therefore public spending cuts than those voting for either labour government in 01 and 05 which increased public spending.
Indeed if we're holding governments to account the first labour government when it came to be held account by the electorate in 01 was re-elected by less people than the conservatives just had which means there's more support for the conservatives after five years of cuts than labour after five years of Blair from 97-01.
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Nurse Ratched
7:22 Sat Jun 27
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A8, I don't know where you get the patience.
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After8
7:20 Sat Jun 27
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What so labour are free to lie about the economy? free to lie about Iraq? free to lie about Tory cuts.
But the conservatives aren't allowed to stick to their department spending cuts because it meant the national debt went up more and should have cut more?
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Italian John
7:16 Sat Jun 27
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After8, so what? That's history, this government needs to be held to account, they have lied about reducing the debt, lied about improving the rail network and lied about just about everything else they 'promised' just so they could get their grubby hands on the nations coffers.
Enjoy your time in power, it'll be the last time it'll happen in your lifetime.
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After8
7:16 Sat Jun 27
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And on the national debt, our policy was to eradicate the deficit over a parliament. We didn't win, we had a coalition with the liberals (coalitions are far more likely under PR by the way) and when the eurozone crisis happened our tax returns slowed.
We actually made the spending reductions in departments but the tax take took longer ( and went up after we got rid of the 50p) so the target was adjusted.
I find the left incredible.
The oppose every cut but berate us for the national debt
The bitch about the Tories being in power and want PR which causes more coalitions and yet they spent five years bitching about the one we just had
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After8
7:11 Sat Jun 27
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if we want lies and promises what about no.more boom and bust or these collection of whoppers from 2007
Britain to grow more than anyone else
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6474975.stm
Or saying after Northern Rock that everything was fine. Dont you think after the first run on a bank for a century that Brown being the financial genius he is should have checked the other banks too?
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After8
7:01 Sat Jun 27
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So you want more cuts then, good to know!
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Italian John
6:56 Sat Jun 27
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Is that the same Cameron whose government has seen the debt grow from £760Billion to £1526Billion?
I'm just wondering because the lie was that they'd halve it?
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After8
6:46 Sat Jun 27
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7291936.stm
And here we are in 08 too before lenman brothers.
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After8
6:41 Sat Jun 27
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erm
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/mar/22/economy.budget2007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6475053.stm
In 2007 Cameron said labour had wasted money on an industrial scale.
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Italian John
6:09 Sat Jun 27
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2007, PROOF.
A Conservative government would match Labour's projected public spending totals for the next three years, shadow chancellor George Osborne has said.
He pledged two years of 2% increases. The final year total would be reviewed.
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